{"id":1220,"date":"2013-11-23T01:32:39","date_gmt":"2013-11-23T09:32:39","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wayofstory.com\/?p=1220"},"modified":"2013-11-30T15:38:52","modified_gmt":"2013-11-30T23:38:52","slug":"featured-guest-post-on-jung-and-hindu-philosophy-at-allconsidering-com","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/wayofstory.com\/?p=1220","title":{"rendered":"Featured guest post on Jung and Hindu Philosophy at AllConsidering.com"},"content":{"rendered":"<h1><span style=\"font-size: 2em;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wayofstory.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/11\/krishna.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-medium wp-image-1234\" alt=\"krishna\" src=\"https:\/\/wayofstory.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/11\/krishna-300x181.jpg\" width=\"300\" height=\"181\" srcset=\"https:\/\/wayofstory.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/11\/krishna-300x181.jpg 300w, https:\/\/wayofstory.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/11\/krishna-220x132.jpg 220w, https:\/\/wayofstory.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/11\/krishna.jpg 341w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a>Atma, Self and Individuation \u2013 Jungian Psychology and the Advaita Vedanta Philosophy<br \/>\n<\/span><\/h1>\n<p><abbr title=\"2013-03-19\">March 19, 2013<\/abbr><\/p>\n<p>in <a title=\"View all posts in Hinduism and India\" href=\"http:\/\/www.allconsidering.com\/category\/hinduism-and-india\/\" rel=\"category tag\">Hinduism and India<\/a>, <a title=\"View all posts in Spiritual Growth\" href=\"http:\/\/www.allconsidering.com\/category\/spiritual-growth\/\" rel=\"category tag\">Spiritual Growth<\/a><\/p>\n<div>\n<blockquote><p>\u201cConsciousness going out towards objects is mind.<br \/>\nThat which turns towards the Self is pure Satva.\u201d<br \/>\n\u2014Sri Atmananda{1}<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>In 1938, C. G. Jung on his only trip to India was scheduled to travel south and meet the great householder sage, Sri Atmananda (Sri Krishna Menon). The trip was arranged by Dr. Roger Godel, a noted heart specialist and friend of Jung\u2019s. Alice Godel, his widow, later related this story to me in India. The night before their departure, Jung had a dream which persuaded him\u00a0to leave India early, thus canceling his trip to south India. If it seems strange to us that a well-educated, professional man such as Jung should take a dream so seriously, we must recall that Jung had grown up in a family of psychics and trained under Sigmund Freud, all of whom paid significant attention to dreams.<\/p>\n<p>Jung was not only disposed to be guided by dreams, but he was already of the opinion that Westerners should retain and adapt their own means of enlightenment, foregoing the ways of the East. The Western mystery cycle of the Holy Grail, which Jung was studying at the time of his Indian trip, is an example of the spiritual tradition that Jung felt Europeans would be safer\u00a0following. But why should Jung have made such a strong distinction? Was it because he was a minister\u2019s son? Might it be that he could not surrender his own identity as a Westerner? Is it really true that there is such a wide chasm between East and West? Can it not be leaped or bridged? In particular, how does Jung\u2019s approach to what he called \u201cindividuation,\u201d or finding one\u2019s\u00a0Self, compare to the enlightenment of the East\u2014specifically to Advaita Vedanta?<\/p>\n<p>Advaita is one of the philosophies behind Hinduism. There\u2019s a humorous saying in India:\u201dIt\u2019s all right to be born in the temple as long as one does not die there.\u201d Hence, religion is viewed as a stepping stone to higher philosophy. Eventually, one must go beyond all forms. This Vedantic tradition has been kept alive by such great sages as Adi Sankara (ninth century), Sri Ramakrishna, and Swami Vivekananda (who brought Vedanta to America in 1893), and Ramana Maharshi ( d. 1950 , inspiration for Somerset Maugham\u2019s The Razor\u2019s Edge). More recent examples are the householder sages, Sri Atmananda (1883-1959) who inspired Joseph Campbell, and Atmananda\u2019s son and successor, Sri Adwayananda (1912-2001), my own teacher for the past thirty years.<\/p>\n<p>The very word advaita, a-dvaita, means \u201cnot double,\u201d not two, nondual. It marks the distinction among the three basic philosophies of Vedanta, the other two being Vishistadvaita, modified nondualism (developed by Ramanuja) and Dvaita, dualism (taught by Madhva and others). Nondualism is represented in the West by neoplatonism, kabbalah, Meister Eckhart, Ruusbroeck, the author of The Cloud of Unknowing, and other mystical traditions.<\/p>\n<p>Although both nondualism and dualism are present in both East and West, it is popular usage to characterize the East as nondualistic and the West as dualistic: For the Advaitist, the world is within; for the Westerner, the world is without, separate from oneself. Western man is held in thrall by the ten thousand things; he sees only particulars, he is ego-bound and thing-bound, and unaware of the deep root of all being. Eastern man, on the other hand, experiences the world of particulars and even his own ego, as a dream. . .{2}<\/p>\n<p>This deep root of all being is given various names in Advaita: the Background, Pure Consciousness, Brahman, Absolute, or Atma (the real Self). \u201cAtma is that changeless, one rasa (unbroken peace and harmony), into which thoughts and feelings merge. . . The light in the perception of sense objects is the changeless Atma, the One without a second which abides in filling all.\u201d{Atmananda 3}<\/p>\n<p>Atma as Self is not to be confused with the individual soul or apparent I, which is called jiva in Sanskrit. Self or Atma stands for the non-dual Absolute itself.<\/p>\n<p>Jung flatly states that the Eastern man\u2019s \u201crelations with the world is often incomprehensible to us.\u201d ({2} Storr, 258) He goes on to describe how the Western attitude, with its emphasis on the object, tends to fix the ideal\u2014Christ\u2014in its outward aspect. This robs it of its mysterious relation to the inner man. Hence, the Protestant interpreters of the Bible refer to the Kingdom of God among you rather than the more linguistically correct within you. (Storr, 258) {4} One can almost imagine a Janus split with one Western face gazing outwards towards the world while the Eastern opposite turns inward. The Vedantist might say, \u201cHow can you fear a world which you create anew each moment?\u201d To translate from Paramarthasaram, an ancient, authoritative Sanskrit work on Vedanta: \u201cWhat is perceived is not different from perception and perception is not different from the Perceiver and . . . therefore the world is the Perceiver himself.\u201d (Atmananda, 36)<\/p>\n<p>In Jung\u2019s Commentary on The Secret of the Golden Flower, he writes: What, on a lower level, had led to the wildest conflicts. . . from the higher level of personality now looked like a storm in the valley seen from the mountain top. . .instead of being in it one is above it. ({2} Storr, 227)<\/p>\n<p>This implies a certain detached perspective which seems to align Jung\u2019s thinking with that of India. However, Jung continues, \u201d But since, in a psychic sense, we are both valley and mountain, it might seem a vain illusion to deem oneself beyond what is human.\u201d ({2} Storr, 227) Is it an illusion then to transcend both valley and mountain? The Indian Sage would say that it is not the outer world that holds us, but rather our perspective and consequent attachment to it. All that is needed is to alter one\u2019s perspective, to see deeply that one is not the body, not the mind, but rather Atma, the Self. This concept is portrayed over and over again in the Sanskrit texts and rests at the very heart of Vedanta. Here is one sloka (verse) from Shankara\u2019s \u201cSix Stanzas on Nirvana\u201d:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>I am not mind, intellect, thought, or ego;<br \/>\nNot hearing, taste, smelling or sight;<br \/>\nNot ether or earth, fire or air<br \/>\nI am the soul of Knowledge and bliss,<br \/>\nI am Shiva, I am Shiva (Shankara 81).<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Shiva stands here for the Absolute. All that is needed then is to see deeply that one is not the body, not the mind, but Atma, the Self. The method which leads to enlightenment, according to Vedanta, is simply to shift the false identification from the body and mind to Atma. \u201cIt is not the objective world that presents obstacles\u2026but the false stand one has taken up.\u201d\u00a0(Atmananda, p. 27)<\/p>\n<p>To do this, three yogas are used: Jnana (knowledge), Karma (action), and Bhakti (devotion). This is no mere intellectual knowing: head and the heart must combine to fully understand the Truth. To realize this, the relationship between a living guru and the disciple is paramount. Even a great soul like Sankara said, \u201cI am the Absolute through the words of my guru.\u201d Unlike other attachments, this relationship only strengthens. One might say that this is the attachment to overcome all other attachments.<\/p>\n<p>Vedanta then offers a final solution as illustrated in the dialogue between Krishna and Arjuna in the Bhagavad Gita. The Gita \u201cpoints to a path by which man unites his finite self with Infinite Being\u201d as stated by Krishna Prem in The Yoga of the Bhagavad Gita.{5} In the dialogue between guru and disciple, Krishna represents the higher Self or Atma as it imparts wisdom to\u00a0Arjuna, the individual soul or jiva. Hence, these two figures symbolize the human and the divine, man and god, Arjuna and Krishna. Kurushetra is simply the battleground of life wherein the soul struggles to reach the divine. The aim then is not to escape but to see through the battle of life as one engages in it fully. This is the real victory. To do this is to align the lower self of body and mind with the higher self or Atma. It is essential to grasp that true knowledge is to be found within. Hence, Krishna\u2019s work, as indeed that of any great teacher, is to bring to birth<br \/>\nthat which already exists within.<\/p>\n<p>This is echoed in some of our own western poets. Robert Browning in his poem, Paracelsus, reminds:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Truth lies within ourselves, it takes no rise<br \/>\nFrom outward things, what\u2019ere you may believe<br \/>\nThere is an inmost center in us all<br \/>\nWhere Truth abides in fullness. . . (Prem 24).<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Shelley adds, \u201cThe One remains, the Many change and pass\u201d (Prem 24).<\/p>\n<p>Can we as Westerners totally transcend our personalities? Can we align ourselves with a higher consciousness and be free of any tension of opposites? Jung thinks not. One is shaken by life yet at the same time aware of a higher consciousness looking on. Jung describes \u201ca necessary polarity inherent in every self-regulating system.\u201d ({2} Storr, 227) As already stated,\u00a0Jung believes man to be both valley and mountain. The tension of opposites lies at the core of his findings. However, Jung, in sharp contrast to Freud, tells us that the goal towards wholeness or integration is fueled by a religious quest. That individuation is a spiritual journey. ({2} Storr, 229) He does not speak of the Absolute but refers instead to an integrating factor\u00a0which guides us through our own unique process of individuation.<\/p>\n<p>This integrating factor Jung calls the Self. Seen as archetype, the Self signifies union between the opposites. ({2} Storr 229) Jung speaks of an \u201carchetype of wholeness.\u201d ({2} Storr 236). From his own dark inner struggles, he turns to the eastern tradition of mandala drawing as a tool to guide his way towards wholeness. In sketching the circular drawings, Jung could observe his\u00a0psychic transformations. ({2} Storr 230) This area is explored in his Psychology of Kundalini Yoga.{6} Echoing Goethe\u2019s Faust, Jung says:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Only gradually did I discover what the mandala really is: formation, transformation, eternal mind\u2019s eternal re-creation. And that is the self, wholeness of the personality, which if all goes well is harmonious, but which cannot tolerate self-deception. ({2} Storr 230)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>For Jung, however, the self is a part of us rather than a force beyond us as in Vedanta. Yet sometimes Jung seems very close to the Eastern view, as in the following quote:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>If the unconscious can be recognized as a co-determining factor along with<br \/>\nconsciousness, and if we can live in such a way that conscious and<br \/>\nunconscious demands are taken into account\u2026then the center of gravity of<br \/>\nthe total personality shifts its position. It is then no longer in the ego,<br \/>\nwhich is merely the center of consciousness, but in the hypothetical point<br \/>\nbetween conscious and unconscious. This new center might be called the self.\u201d<br \/>\n({2} Storr 19)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>This shift parallels the Vedantic perspective that all that is needed is to shift the false identification with the body and mind to the Atma, the center, as previously discussed. Yet Jung calls the point between conscious and unconscious hypothetical. It is not yet real, only conjectural. To the Vedantist, however, it is the only reality. In India, the space between two\u00a0thoughts is a pointer towards the Atma, the one Reality. This is the space where there is no mind, no ego, when the mind is dissolved into some larger Self beyond all personality.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u201cWhere are you in this space between two thoughts?\u201d the sage might ask, thus opening the door to pure experience. And in pure experience there is no world. There simply is. Jung responds:<br \/>\nBut the self comprises infinitely more than a mere ego. . . It is as much one\u2019s self, and all other selves, as the ego. Individuation does not shut one out from the world, but gathers the world to one\u2019s self. ({2} Storr 419)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<h3><a href=\"https:\/\/wayofstory.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/11\/lotus-image.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-1237\" alt=\"lotus-image\" src=\"https:\/\/wayofstory.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/11\/lotus-image.png\" width=\"253\" height=\"202\" srcset=\"https:\/\/wayofstory.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/11\/lotus-image.png 253w, https:\/\/wayofstory.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/11\/lotus-image-220x175.png 220w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 253px) 100vw, 253px\" \/><\/a><\/h3>\n<h3>FOOTNOTES<\/h3>\n<p>1. Atmananda, ed. by Adwayananda,<a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/s\/?_encoding=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;field-keywords=%20Atma%20Darshan%2FAtma%20Nirvriti&amp;linkCode=ur2&amp;rh=n%3A283155%2Ck%3A%20Atma%20Darshan%2FAtma%20Nirvriti&amp;tag=all-considering-20&amp;url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Atma Darshan\/Atma Nirvriti<\/a>. (Austin:\u00a0Advaita Publishers, 1983), p. 9.<\/p>\n<p>2. Jung, C.G.<a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0691029350\/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0691029350&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=all-considering-20\" rel=\"nofollow\">The Essential Jung<\/a>. Ed. Anthony<b>Storr<\/b>. (Princeton: Princeton\u00a0University Press, 1983), p. 257.<\/p>\n<p>3. Atmananda.<a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/s\/?_encoding=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;field-keywords=%20Atma%20Darshan%2FAtma%20Nirvriti&amp;linkCode=ur2&amp;rh=n%3A283155%2Ck%3A%20Atma%20Darshan%2FAtma%20Nirvriti&amp;tag=all-considering-20&amp;url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Atma Darshan\/Atma Nirvriti<\/a>. Ed. Atwayananda (Austin: Advaita\u00a0Publishers, 1983) p. 12.<\/p>\n<p>4. Liddell &amp; Scott give \u201cin, within, inside\u201d for enros. Oxford Annotated RSV\u00a0translates \u201camong.\u201d Ref. is to Luke 17:21.<\/p>\n<p>5.\u00a0Krishna Prem,\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/s\/?_encoding=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;field-keywords=Yoga%20of%20the%20Bhagavad%20Gita%20krishna%20prem&amp;linkCode=ur2&amp;rh=n%3A283155%2Ck%3AYoga%20of%20the%20Bhagavad%20Gita%20krishna%20prem&amp;tag=all-considering-20&amp;url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Yoga of the Bhagavad Gita<\/a><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p>Read More by Katinka Hesselink:<a href=\"http:\/\/www.allconsidering.com\/2013\/atma-self-jung-advaita\/\">http:\/\/www.allconsidering.com\/2013\/atma-self-jung-advaita\/<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Atma, Self and Individuation \u2013 Jungian Psychology and the Advaita Vedanta Philosophy March 19, 2013 in Hinduism and India, Spiritual Growth \u201cConsciousness going out towards objects is mind. That which turns towards the Self is pure Satva.\u201d \u2014Sri Atmananda{1} In 1938, C. G. 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